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Slopijoe (talk) 22:20, September 10, 2019 (UTC)

Hi, sorry about the Rika thing on GF, I just read about it on TV Tropes, not sure it's 100% reliable.... best that you removed it.AndyPS (talk) 03:31, April 17, 2020 (UTC)

Why did you practically RUIN MY relationship work on Rosa's page?

What was wrong with what I added about the character relationships? With the exception of Kinzo, whose spoiler tag I forgot to include, in the others I have not committed any kind of error, neither grammatical nor synthetic (to tell the truth, you had committed more than me by deleting and rewriting everything). Contrary to what YOU say I have not even leaked any clue regarding my preferences, I was the most objective possible! So tell me why did you have to put your hand on what I wrote by taking away most of my work?

I will admit that I may have removed a little too much in cleaning things up. Part of my rewriting was presenting info from childhood to adulthood since it seems logical, and also trimming it to remove unrelated info; Beatrice torturing Rosa isn't really important, the feelings towards her siblings is.

There's also things like Rosa fantasizing about Krauss' death that don't seem to be true and stretch a little bit into speculation so I felt it was fine to remove. Omegabodega (talk) 14:54, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for re-adding some of the info you removed. Magik097

New Locations, Voyagers and Creators pages

Hello,Im a new editor on the wiki. I was wondering if I can get permission to create new locations pages for the wiki being The Sea/Depths of Obllivion and The Creator Domain as well as creating individual pages for Voyagers and Creators? I am aware that both are mentioned on the witch page but I think this maybe a good idea. If that's okay with you.

ThePirateKing777 (talk) 3:46, December 19, 2021 (UTC)

What do you intend to write for each page? We only know so much about Oblivion and the Creator Domain, and anything else would veer into speculation.

I am also iffy on splitting Voyagers and Creators into separate pages since I think the Witch page already describes everything we know about them, but if you have ideas on how to expand them then I'd like to hear them.

Omegabodega (talk) 03:53, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Well I can use what's stated in the various games and mangas. From what I learned about The Sea of Oblivion, it is the endless void at the bottom of the Sea of Fragments and encompasses all of existence. It is the void where beings of the higher domains go when their existence gets erased, destroyed, or conceptually denied. It lies at the bottom of the Sea of Fragments, beyond the infinite layers that makes up existence. Concepts such as life and death have no meaning there.

This is also the “Hell” where Voyagers that “misses a step” on the ladder, or beings that lose their purpose and self to the Sea of Fragments, also go.

Powerful enough beings, like Bernkastel, can send others here or take them out from here. However, even weak Meta Beings can regenerate from here and reform as long as they can regain their will/sense of self, since they are the depths from which everything is born. I can say something like this on the page while adding images of various characters from the games and mangas supporting these claims.

I can also do this with The Creator Domain, I can say something like "Beyond the expansions of the infinite ladder lies The Creator Domain, the last boundary that Featherine reached before becoming a Creator. At this point, the number of restrictions is non-existent."

"This is the place where Featherine’s true form exists, and, to her, there’s no difference between her human avatar and her Witch avatar, similar to how to an actor there’s no difference between the roles he plays, as they are all just roles in the end." I'll also make note of the different names of The Creator Domain such as "The Realm of Zero", "The World of The Gods", "The Kingdom of Gods" and "The Sea of Zero".

In one game (idk the name) it's stated that Featherine exists as a fundamental principle of the world which completely supercedes those embodied by Voyagers, being described as "omnipotent" and "life itself" or An indescribable "actor" entity known as "Aurora", who exists independently from both the identities of Featherine and Tohya. I don't really know if this if refering to Featherine as a Creator or something else.

Lastly I can shed some light on trivia regarding Voyagers and Creators (as well as Featherine in the process) with Ryushiki07's own explanations in an interview with are translationed if these are good enough.

ThePirateKing777 (talk) 4:51, December 19, 2021 (UTC)

After some deliberation, I'm saying "no" to all of this. You seem to reference a lot of concepts from this blog explaining WTC cosmology, and a lot of it is very speculative. There's a lot of metaphorical phrases here being taken literally.

Omegabodega (talk) 13:32, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Well I just said that I got most of my information from the various games and mangas. I don't think it's fair to just assume that I got out all of this from VS Battle, in everything I just told you I don't really mention a hierarchy at all, The blog also barely covers or mentions most of what I have explained and offered you. I can show you these scans as well as other stuff that proves the things I'm saying are legit if you like.

ThePirateKing777 (talk) 4:54, December 19, 2021 (UTC)

Sources and and scans would be much appreciated.

Omegabodega (talk) 18:06, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. I've been really busy lately with other things. When I finally get some free time I will show you everything. Sorry for the inconvenience. ThePirateKing777 (talk) 6:12, December 21, 2021 (UTC)

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Lder1995 (talk) 22:47, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for reaching out! We'll let you know if we need anything!

Omegabodega (talk) 22:54, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks for the edits to the Onikakushi summary I've been working on; I'm working from the 07th Mod version of the Steam release so I can't really tell what bits were added for the console versions. Is there an easy way for me to avoid making that mistake in the future? I supposed I could uninstall the mod and see what's missing but doing that every chapter seems kind of untenable. Anyway, thanks for the help!

FenrisTheirin (talk) 04:55, March 13, 2022 (UTC)

You're welcome!

Since the original PC versions are not as polished as later releases like Umineko, you can assume that opening videos and voiced monologues or CGs weren't part of the original.

Something I also wanted to look at were the TIPs. I'm thinking that newspaper-like scenes should be transcribed as they are while scenes with characters speaking should be summarized as usual, but I'm not sure how to make those look good or make those apparent. Omegabodega (talk) 13:41, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Honestly I had been transcribing the TIPs with dialogue completely because another When They Cry wiki has full transcriptions of them, except they're... poorly translated, to say the least, so I wanted there to be a more accurate version out there. If you think it'd be better to just do summaries though, I can switch to that. FenrisTheirin (talk) 21:41, March 14, 2022 (UTC)

Although the main arcs are officially translated, I think the TIPS that are like newspaper articles and documents should be transcribed. Anything with characters speaking should be summarized.

Omegabodega (talk) 22:30, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank You For Letting Me Know! :)

Hello Omegabodega! I just noticed you left a message on my profile and I wanted to thank you for letting me know, I won't upload any more images from Zerochan! My only intention was to make sure that this Wiki had as many official images that I could find online, but I had no idea that they were already on this Wiki! Again, I appreciate you letting me know and I will try to be more careful in the future! :D PinkSquid5 (talk) 16:37, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello Again, Been a while

Hello again. First I’d like to apologize for not getting back to you in four months with the scans. I will now present some scans about The Depths/Sea of Oblivion is the endless void at the bottom of the Sea of Fragments


The first scans show that concepts such as life and death have no meaning there;




If you lose your will, emotion, or form, you will go into the depths of the sea;


Featherine herself at the end of the story uses this realm to bury the Magic Ending | Meta-World Side;




I believe this much information about the depths of oblivion can be enough to warrant its own page. What do you think?

ThePirateKing777 (talk) 5:35, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

We're still not interested in making a depths of oblivion page because it's a generic-sounding term. Omegabodega (talk) 02:15, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I understand. Sorry for the bother I guess.

ThePirateKing777 (talk) 6:23, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

<Very good>! (re Maria)

https://07th-expansion.fandom.com/wiki/Maria_Ushiromiya?diff=cur&oldid=114225 Nic Bentulan (talk) 07:22, 6 May 2022 (UTC)